Rage Against the Machine Learning: Interstellar movie review

Because it's been five minutes since we last mentioned Christopher Nolan, today is the turn of his 2014 haunted bookshelf epic- Interstellar.

Love is the key and gravity transcends all, as we choke back hot man tears at the flagrant display of daddy issues, and leaving things behind. Is someone chopping onions in here?

Steff's off to the house of mouse for a couple of weeks, to witness the birth of new Star Wars movie: The Mandalorian and Grogu. Expect a debrief on the film sometime in June (if Hutch gets around to visiting his local cinema in time). 

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SPEAKER_02 0:07

I've started a stopwatch this time.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

So I actually know just say her in an hour and a half going, eh, that feels about right. Yeah, I think we'd kind of I think we just fall into a bit of a yeah, we've done an hour. Probably tired now. Right, anyway, shall we go? Three, two. Hello, and welcome to Second Chance Cinema Club. I'm Hutch, and he is Steph. Steph, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Good.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

You're on your holidays, and you are going somewhere special, aren't you? Not that every holiday with your partner is not special, but this is particularly like the average holiday which planned for like a day.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

Ah fuck it, let's just go. Just go away. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Absolutely. And I I assume I assume I know this already, but for the benefit of the listeners, uh you'll be partaking in some uh movie-based theme park magic. Oh You'll have to re you'll have to report back on the uh American cinema experience because I've never watched a movie in the States, um, but I I'm led to believe that they behave in a different manner.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Yes, two thousand four. Spoiler even more I have never ever thought of that scene as remotely comedic. Did you ever get to the bottom of it or was it just wow? God, we've we're so emotionally stunted if we cast.

unknown 3:21

Laugh.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

It's a riot, absolute riot. Laugh a minute. Anyway. I feel like I feel like we should mention at some point what we're doing today, uh, which is talking about Interstellar. Interstellar, which if you've read the title of the episode, you hopefully will know already, and they've stuck around long enough to get past our ramblings. Not ramblings, obviously. We're talking about Interstellar from 2014, and that is what the episode title will be called, probably not. Uh from a uh a young up-and-coming director called Christopher Nolan. Um I I I am slightly concerned. I I am guilty at times of repeating myself as it is. I feel like I've probably reviewed this film at length already over the last couple of years, probably because I mentioned it. I mentioned it like every other week, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

On one of his films at least. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, that's not a bad idea that.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

Absolutely. We do a Christopher Nolan series at one point, and we could just regurgitate all the stuff we say today. Um, anyway, it's Stella from 2014, starring Matthew McConaughey and Hathaway. Others, Mark Kane, just Justin, and Kid Go. I could go all day. Uh John Lisko, David Yellow, Ogelu, um Timothy Chalamet, Shamal Amading Dong. Very different Timothy Chalamet, young Timothy Chalamet. A child, child Timothy Chalamet. Mmm, mmm. Already knew that he was on to something good before then. Um obviously, let's say, 2000 2014 this came out. Um, and I think I've spoken uh uh and on the by starting by repeating myself because I'm fairly certain I've said this to you in our private discussions, but I I am also very sure that I've said it on air at some point. Um 2014, it it marks an interesting moment for this film to come out because obviously I watched it when it first came out. I saw it in the cinema, I saw it several times afterwards, because I just wanted like with most Christopher Nolan films, just the urge to watch it again, just to help just to convince myself that I'm not as stupid as it makes me feel. Um doesn't always work. Uh but anyway, did that. Uh then fast forward a few years, a couple of years after it came out, I had I had my daughter uh who is now, I guess I'm gonna we don't ever find out Murph's age, I don't think, as a as a child. But I've let's say my daughter now is probably a couple years younger than Murph. So the way this hits now come comparison to what it did before, very there's an extra layer to it. I don't know if you found the same thing as a being a parent now of a child of a certain age.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Oh oh yes. Hugging. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Absolutely, oh absolutely. I mean I that that like that innate is that what that that desire to get back to his children and back to back to his family, despite the fact that obviously plots spoilers, by the way, we're gonna be plenty there'll be plenty of them. Um despite the fact that by the time he's sort of the job is done, and we'll talk about what the job entails later. Uh by the time the job is done, knowing full well that his there's a very good chance his children are either incredibly old or probably dead, uh, he's still got that that desire and that thrust and that will to be like, I need to go and do something, I just need to keep going, I just need to get back to them and do something.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Uh it's kind of a bit of a uh giving himself a ready-made excuse, basically. Yeah. But anyway, anyway, we'll come around, we'll come around to that in more detail in a bit later. Um we kick off with with basically the uh the setting that uh that we find the world in, or the situation we find the world in when we when we arrive in the film. Um kind of we are it's it's it's an odd it's an odd thing, I think, because normally post kind of I don't know, post-apocalyptic events, any film that's set post-apocalyptic events, most of them that we get find it's post-war, isn't it? Like this, I can't think of many or any others that are post just people starved to death because there's no f because the world like the world is eating itself. Therefore we can't therefore we can't take it here No.

unknown 9:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Hmm Hmm Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

What I do find interesting about it though is the fact that obviously it's it's told from the viewpoint of like you'd have thought for if it was it was an environmental thing, you know, you'd have thought that uh science would be held in very high regard because you'd like to I'd like or I'd like to think at least that there'd be some humility but the people who are left, there'd be some humility about them and go, oh, they were right. We haven't we haven't just got a planet filled with infinite resources that we can keep exploiting and taking advantage of. We do need to look after it a bit better. Um however, they don't seem to have done that. They seem to have completely turned their back on science and um turn their back on basically exploration and living with without ambition You don't believe we landed on the moon. Yeah, I don't think I don't think I don't think the it's interesting because I I I I don't think the coop character Oh let there's uh maybe this is good leading to talk about Coop. There's nothing there's nothing much subtle about him, but he's he's he's so good because he's so he's clearly a very intelligent man but he's got enough sort of smarts about him that he doesn't he doesn't believe in his own intelligence necessarily and he doesn't he d he he wants to interrogate everything and he wants to understand it in whereas whereas we see later on in the film there are lots of other people who probably from um if you were scoring them may be deemed more intelligent but get completely hoodwinked by someone who is been put on a pedestal and they don't interrogate his work properly. Um whereas Coop is not that and kind of is a bit more I don't he's not I don't every man sort of feels like too too easy a word to throw at it uh because he's not he's a very very clever guy, but he's also just he's smart enough to question things No. But we but he also but he also allows us to allows the expect exposition of the thing to unfold, doesn't he? Because he asks the questions that obviously as the fo as the viewer we're all we're all dying to know uh unless you happen to be uh an astrophysicist. Yes, it is well done, Mr. Nolan, and well done, Matthew McConaughey. Done very well. Um there's a lot I mean the film itself I think it grapples with a lot of quite um significant moral and ethical issues. No, I think that we'll we'll maybe go through them one by one. Now the obviously the one we've kind of touched upon already is the sort of the the putting aside your personal needs for the greater good, or or perhaps like so him leaving his children, which again uh which to to expand on the previous point, it's it's not necessarily just the greater good. He he's he's intelligent enough to understand that if he does nothing, his children are gonna die anyway. But also, the idea of leaving them is must be I mean that's a that's that driving away thing. That was that I think that's the scene that get that gets me the most now because that knowing knowing full well, like he under he understands rel he's not a genius, but he understands relativity enough, and he understands the distance they're going to travel, and he understands the task they're going on, and he knows that the chances of returning are slim. The chances of returning and not being many, many years older are, you know, even slimmer.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

What do you think you'd do with your would you did you do you think you could leave your child crying? Yeah. You'd stay with your son, it's fine, it's fine. We'll we'll die together. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

You never know. You never know. You never know. I don't think I don't think given what either of us do for a living, we're likely to be asked to get to go on this mission at any point. So uh it's we'd I think we'd be a long way down the list.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

A long way down the list.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

I don't think he did, but he's yeah, I mean he had to back up of neither of us are the secret genius physicists, are we? How would we know? Oh I mean maybe maybe we're just hiding it, hiding it very well. Just like, yes, yes. Secretly, secretly, I am actually the best physicist on earth. I just, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

I just I just I just you know I'm not a show-off. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

I don't uh hide my lights under a bushel. That's my way. That's my way. Uh yeah. So anyway, so that was one of the one of the moral and ethical decisions. The other one, um and I'm I'm trying to get through this without I don't know if he'd like to go from jump from bit to bit, explaining every bit of the plot, but like plan A versus plan B. So obviously, we've just we've discovered we've discovered the the Earth is is near to collapse or near to failure. Uh and they come up with two plans. Both involve one involves going into space and taking a load of embryos with them. The other involves hopefully getting a significant number of people off the surface of the planet and surviving on somehow getting a concrete block off the earth. Um they're they're basically talking about that uh they're talking about that having a big enough ship that you can take thousands of people on it. I that's how I've always interpreted that. Because obviously the movie Fast Forward to the End, you've got that rotating or the cylindrical whirl or thing that they're living on. And they re they make reference to other ones as well, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Yes. Send the embros. Fine. Uh like that.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Come on, let's start with a clean slate. Let's let's not let's not let you know, we all know that if you try to amend something existing, it's never as good as if you just build from a thing we we might see that happen at some point. I don't know. Um we'll see. We'll see. Well, that was I mean that's one of the things they spoke about in this. No is art. No result is a great a great reference that you've touched upon there. Because it's a wonderful thing. But like they they said about how NASA had initially been shut down. This goes back to what you're saying about turning your back on science and exploration. NASA had been shut down because rumour has it at least that uh the government had asked them to drop bombs on starving people from space, and they'd declined.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Woke, woke bastards.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Mr. Mr. Pro freedom of speech and pro life or pro whatever those actually whatever the fuck he is. Yeah. Yeah. They're always they're always pro this week. I think Branson might not. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick up for Rich here. It's a little bit more, I don't think, I think you yeah. No, I don't think he's doing that. I don't think he's doing that. Um but it's interesting that when they do get into an apologies for for the meandering mess of this, I like that we when we when they do find NASA, we first get introduced to for what the benefit of this exercise I'm gonna call a droids. Uh I'm gonna call them. Um who are Tarzan case, who I think are I mean, whoever came up with the design of those brilliant. They are I mean they're just so impractical. They're just like literally literally they do not they do not suit. I mean, they're they're top heavy, they are you looking at the full one, yeah. Um I'm unbelievably fast though. They can shift when they get into like star mode and they start rolling, tumbling. But I feel like I feel like they're tumbling, they could very easily tip sideways and not correct themselves because they've got nothing to they have got those little like sticky out arm things that go that they go they use to hook on. Stabilizers. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

They wouldn't, but as characters, they are exceptionally good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

I think Tars is the one who's the levity, isn't he? He's Casey's Casey's more steady steady and just a bit more stop fucking about Tarz, come on. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Exactly, I think which I think is wise. Which is wise. Yeah, it's a something I mean to be.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Well, I think uh 50 fifty.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

I'm not even I'm not even here now. I'm an I'm actually an AI. I'm not even here. This is fine. 5050. Oh, I think I'd like to think I'm 50-50. I think it's I think it's probably more on a subject-by-subject basis. It's probably like on this subject matter, I'm 100% honest. On another subject matter, I am a hundred percent not honest.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Dishonest.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

Uh uh pretty honest about things like that. I don't know. I'm not, I'm I I I don't I I no thing. Why is it like it's it's a difficult thing because like the fact that she's asking me, oh she's got something new. I can already tell whether she likes it or not. So I just kind of just I'd look at it and go, I think she likes it. Yes, it's great, beautiful. Maybe my point, my point is I to be honest, I wimp out. I don't wimp out of stuff like that. My I my stock answer for stuff like that is it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, do you like it? Do you feel comfortable with it? That's all I need to say.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Thanks.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

It has been said. Physically, mentally, uh quite robotic. Absolutely, absolutely. But I do but anyway, getting back to Tarzan. Tarzan case, they're fantastic characters, but they're also like they I think it's yeah, like I say, Tarzan's very good at uh he even chips in with a nice few sort of like very um one-liners to explain things in layman's terms. Like he he mentions that when they're talking about uh Newton's laws and about forces and everything that and I think it's Tars. I can't remember which way around Tars in case of, but I'm very certain to it's Tars. It says about how uh the only way humans have ever learned to go anywhere is by leaving something else behind. Lovely, lovely sentiment. Yes, but also also as well, beautifully uh sort of uh dovetailing with the whole thing about Dr. Brand Senior and his bullshit about solving the theory of solving gravity. Yeah, oh we already always knew, always knew, and those video messages we'll get to those video messages in a minute, but those video messages in themselves are worthy of conversation, um, particularly again coming back to as being a parent, um, who then becomes a grandparent as well. Uh so but he going back to my earlier point about how the fact that he managed to they managed to go through that whole thing and no one until uh Murph is basically old enough and wise enough to interrogate the maths, she's the first person who looks at it and goes, Hang on a minute.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Hang on, but even but even she doesn't work it out and it becomes his deathbed confession.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

Basically, so well are we are we talking about the film now or are we talking about actual physics? Um the film, the film, yeah, basically, yeah. So they only managed to do it based upon uh experiments, it's a glimpsing glimpsing beyond the event horizon of the black hole. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

Event horizon, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

I'm sorry, I didn't make it, ma'am. I need to try really hard, but I couldn't.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean that's that's okay when you're like I don't know, but when you're basically trying to I mean as well, that one of the things I'd like to say is I think it's I think this is one of the things that as Christopher does so often in his films, um he'll there'll be there'll be a certain level of exposition, but then there's kind of a core principle that he he won't explain, and it's it's it's open to interpretation. And I think I think to be honest, the theme of solving gravity throughout it they never meant they never say in any greater detail, oh we're just we're solving gravity. Now I take I took that to mean basically you could have a point, I don't know, you build a machine or something, do something that basically you could put a point on the ground and gravity would disappear. But I think that's that's but that's I I don't know, I I I've never I've never really kind of worked out whether that is the genius of his storytelling, the fact that you know he leaves he leaves enough to the imagin he's he l he leads you down a path, but the entire time you're going down that path, he's got your imagination thinking about something else and allowing you to and allowing you to kind of create your own narrative as far as that's concerned.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

I'm not gonna solve that problem right now. That's that's tomorrow's actually, it's not even tomorrow's problem, it's someone else's problem. It's fine. Again, the fact that we're now this like 12 years after this film was made, and even longer since Inception was made, and in even like actually less time since Tenet and all those things.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Uh you know, the fact we still talk about these things exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Oh quite quite and that I think he does trade on that a lot, but it again it's it's the genius of it because I think there's there's very there's significant parts of this film where boredom could quite easily set in, but it does not, it does not because there's always again it's like it's there's never nothing's ever accidental, is it? It's it's there's there's there's there's always either like if there's no interesting dialogue happening, there's some action, if there's no action or dialogue, then there's uh beautiful scenery to look at. If there's there's always a purpose to all of it. Um baseball popcorn at a baseball game, it's unnatural. I love John Lithgow, by the way. I've got to mention John Lithgow. I died I love John Lithgow in basically everything I've ever seen him in. Um and I think he is got so he's his range in terms of being able to play ridiculously silly characters to ridiculously menacing characters, and then everything in between is fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

People do not think you lead they lead into it a little bit, don't they? Because they're already they're already talking about uh like when the when all the like the tractors and the combine harvesters and all that cock up their navigation. Um and he's got you know you've yeah, you've got a bit of future, and they're like the the fact that when I mean I've I you know I I I'm I I've got to find something weird with this film, but like one thing that I've always found odd with this film is that they happen to be on the school run. And conveniently, as an Indian Air Force drone flies overhead, very conveniently, they happen to have the right software and hardware in the car to be able to take control of it.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Just like I mean that's that seems unlikely.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

The gun thing they point at and just say, Yes, that technology may exist, but what the fuck have you got it in your car? You're a farmer.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Exactly. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Uh the Indian Air Force track. Uh I think I think it's just another it's another set uh scene setting thing, isn't it? It's like the fact that it's I and he talks about giving it something socially responsible to do, doesn't he? That that that I think is a significant thing. And just to just basically to say that it's would have been flying around up there for years upon years and eventually got bored and came down. I think it didn't he didn't say he got bored, he says something else, but yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

I also have an issue with the um flying it flying uh using a 2D uh pad uh for something that needs three-dimensional steering some sort of gimbal or something, joystick. Your yes, your your your is rotation, basically. Yes. Oscillation. Yeah. Exactly. Um yeah, I've always I can't remember how we got on to talk about the Indian Air Force drone, but yes, that is the convenience. The convenience. Oh yeah, that's one of the things I've always found very convenient, and like this just the ability to do that. I mean, that's it's a lot more interesting than my average school runner, put it that way. Uh for which I I if if one flew overhead, unless I can control it with either my phone or some headphones, uh then I've got nothing on me that's helping with that.

SPEAKER_02 35:08

Get out of here.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

So did he get his coordinates from? This is the best kept secret in the world. No one stumbles in and no one stumbles out.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

I don't know if that's a correct quote or not. Yeah, he's alley. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

When that's who do you think we are? It's like he's but it's weird that he's like his first thought. Bear in mind, like the first person like he meets the he meets obviously one of the one of the droids. I think it's I think it's Tarz he meets first off. And he tries to take him on, and Tarz is like, sit down, mate. No phones while recording, please. Um Tars is um who he meets first, but then the first human he interacts with is Amelia Brand, Dr. Amelia Brand. Um Hathaway's character. I actually I was reading some stuff where he referred to her as Amelia. I was like, who the fuck is Amelia? And I was looking looking, and it's not on IMDb either. It's like I was like, who is this character? I don't know who they are. Ah, it's her. Yes. Um anyway, he meets her, and like it's weird that his first thought, or seemingly at least, I guess it's maybe maybe it's the paternal thing that's taking over his first thing is a threat. Um, and when they're sat around like if you sat around that table, like just like the most old boardroom-looking place you've ever seen in your life, with and he must like they've got all the pictures of astronauts on the wall. Like he must he's a smart bloke. He must have maybe he's been deprived of sleep or something. He must have clocked like things on the wall. Um Yeah, but like he's like the I don't yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not telling you anything until I get any guarantees that we're getting out of here, and I don't mean in the back of a crock or so.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

Like it's like these I mean do these look like three Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:52

Sit down Yes, it's good. I love it. Love it. I love it. But anyway, yeah, that's that that's a that's another odd thing. Um I think we I think we touched upon it earlier, uh in terms of uh the well, we spoke about the ethics of plan A versus plan B. Uh the morality of um Dr. Mann, aka the best of us. Um his actions in terms of firstly faking all his data, let's say, and making them come to him, uh, and then when they get there, not just holding his hands up and going, uh, yeah, I got this wrong.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Yeah.

unknown 38:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Hmm. I knew what this place was as soon as I got here.

SPEAKER_03 39:06

It's your fucking idea, mate. I don't know if anyone's uh you've heard about this, but apparently you were the leader of this.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

Yeah. Matt Damon.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

Who who Well, you mentioned that apparently so so I think the Martian was a couple of years earlier. And apparently, apparently when Christopher Allenbrock like spoke to him about playing this role, I think the first thing Matt Damon said was like, You've seen the Martian, right? Yeah, so I can I can do it. I can do it. I've got this, got this down. Very different character though, very different character though. Um Mark Watt.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Trying to work out who he is.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Ocean's 11. Ocean's 12, Ocean's 13. Goodwill hunting. I'm in it. I'll just I'm being deliberately a bit of a dick about this and just naming films that have nothing to do with what you just said. We bought a zoo.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

I'll just I'll just name. Not all of them. Yeah. Ah, poor bloke. I think he's probably he's probably happy doing whatever he needs to do, isn't he?

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Well, Matt Damon. He's what he's certainly not happy in this as the as a as a as the astronaut. Um because I it's he is touching though, that moment where they wake him up and he just cries. Like that for me, that for me, I immediately like obviously they're they're sympathetic to his plight and this call or whatever he's going through, but like that for me, if I was uh Romilly or Brand or or Coop or Tarz, I think him waking up crying and the fact that he's put himself down for a long nap anyway, be like that's interesting. Why why are you so uh upset? Why are you why why why are you so sad Yeah putting yourself in a zip bag Yeah it looks warm though it looks warm I mean you've got to trust that you I mean there's no way I'm getting in that without trusting that I don't want I want to see at least a hundred people go before me before I get one of those Yeah Yeah again Yeah it's not um he's not been encased in carbonite has he think so but that but these are these are these are common trades I mean this is this is the the 2001 legacy isn't it There's like this is there's a there's a well-known thread and um a trend like 2001 Adam this had them we've seen then in recent times that uh Project Hail Mary had similar things and they failed they failed for two out of three two out of three of those failed in Project Hail Mary plot spoilers by the way just give you a plot spoiler for a film that's been out like two months, that's a bit harsh. But anyway, you see that in the first couple of minutes. Yeah, if you didn't listen to us, then it's not you. Yes. Anyway, right, so anyway, what have we got back to his his actions, right? Dr. Mann. Supposed to be the best of us, clearly cracked under pressure.

SPEAKER_00 43:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Uh he's smoked his robot deliberately, but also turned into a bomb.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Yeah.

unknown 43:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:36

Yes. And I'd imagine I would I kind of I I've maybe put two and two together and got five here, but my assumption is that that's kind of something that's built into them anyway, because they're mil ex military droids or or robots or whatever they're calling them. Um and therefore maybe they've got that capability as it is to prevent being tappered with in a parcel life.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Well, I mean why yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

But maybe you'd I mean why would why would they wake the robot before they woke the human? Or maybe he didn't do it, maybe he only did it once he was awake. Because we don't get we don't really we don't we we don't really know what the time frames are, would we? It's a bit sort of it's a bit digabar-esque, you know. We s we see a bit of we see a bit of sort of tea drinking and chat and explanation. Well my my thing again, like how nobody it's one of those things, everyone's so excited about what he said, and they they just blindly believed his data, which kind of you have to believe his data, otherwise you're not gonna go. But like when he's saying about um what we've what he's got what they've got around them, basically saying this it's not a very nice environment, but once you get down to the surface, I'll be like, Well, why the fuck aren't you living down there? Are you here?

SPEAKER_02 45:13

No. It's like a less hospitable hoth yeah and a space cruiser. Well, particularly Dr.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Brand uh Junior, Amelia, she is she is just eyes wide open, loving everything, and she's like I was so excited, like oh my god, this science, it's incredible, blah blah blah blah blah it's wonderful. But she has a moment she has a moment of weakness though where s where science leaves her and she tries to but then she tries to justify love as being science. Yes, it's where she they're having a conversation, aren't they? And she like uh has a callback to what Tarzan said earlier about discretion, and she's and she also she says about discretion and she's like she also is like um is it something I can't remember if it's that one or saying when he's talking to about uh learning to communicate and learning when and she's like well sometimes you need to learn when to not communicate and stuff like that. Uh but yeah, she she gave she gave herself away um in in an earlier in an earlier scene. Like not quite subtle. I mean you understand. I don't think at the time you understand she's giving herself away, but it's when when you get no well, clearly don't watch it every month like I do for the last fourteen years. I'll coming back to me now Um So yeah, so anyway, I think I think ultimately I think I I if one of his actions, Dr. Manz, I sympathize with them.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Uh I don't excuse them. Yeah, he's well Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:23

It's like but it's he's he's kind of a bit sort of um at that point it becomes almost a bit serial killer-esque, doesn't it? Because like I mean serial killers of you know, when like you look at something like a scream, it's all reliant it's always reliant upon someone being isolated. As long as as long as that someone is isolated but they're with but you build that trust with them, is which is what he's already got, then then it it does make sense, I think Scott Point. But then when it obviously like he's as you say, he gets the craft, he gets off the gets off the thing, and by that point he's all in, but he's and his head's gone and his head's well and truly gone.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

Have you ever cross-threaded a nut, Stefan?

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Okay, it's very it's easily done if you do it wrong, but it's basically most most mechanical if you think about the tolerances on your average like your average day-to-day mechanical device, like a screw thread or a nut or a bolt or something, the tolerances on that are fine, but not that fine. And even they can fuck up. Um whereas like something like a spacecraft, literally, they are the tolerances on those are as tight as you're ever gonna see, and get it slightly wrong, and it ain't working, and even even still, it's a it's a it's a good vehicle for the plot, I think. And also as well, like it's because it's also as well, it gets it gets great opportunities to then do the callback to the trust settings, because they're like, well, you know, if it was left to Coop and Dr. Brand Junior, I'm gonna call it Junior, although Amelia, um the uh autopilot locking procedures would have still been on that ship. Whereas the case no no no no haste does not trust. Or is it TARS? I can't remember which way around it. It's like um I don't know. They're a cap they're all capitalized, so I'm gonna assume yes.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

Corporal Yeah Humbling aluminium road slave.

SPEAKER_03 51:17

That was it, I think. Uh yeah, I don't know. I d Yes Exactly, exactly. I was going with that. I don't know what case might be. Um corroded arteries severely severely uh explosive.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Um something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

He does, but he he's very much he did like we said earlier about his um the speech he gives, that is it under other circumstances would be very touching and lovely, and would be really meaningful about how he says, Oh, what does what does history tell us about the third last thing you'll see before you die, and all that kind of stuff. And he's talking about kids and he's talking about love. And he's talking about the brain reaching out for some sort of answers to questions and things.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Um but clearly all of it is just him trying to convince himself that what he's done is right. Yes. So Yeah And we get some interesting comments about their behaviour and their lack of preparation. They're not mountains.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

I think it's super shallow everywhere. I think that's the interesting bit. It's super shallow everywhere apart from waves, then the waves come. Because as soon as the wave because as soon as the wave's gone as well, like the sh is shallow again. Yeah. Um I did think about that though as well, like, because obviously the the I wondered if it was something to do with this um with its relative position to gargantrun. Because obviously you've got we took the they when they talk about the but yeah, well the wave, yeah, because obviously they talk about the they talk about the position of it on uh in relation to gargantron and how the fact that when they get down there is it something like I can't remember, it's like what one like one year is seven years, or one hour is seven years or something. One hour is seven years. Um so yeah, something from Robley. It gets that's relatively focused, I think is what he says, which is lovely, beautifully delivered light. But then when they get down there, I do wonder because obviously with our with our own seas, tidal tidal movements caused by a gravitational pull of the moon. Is it is it basically as there that planet rotates, is rotating and is gigantry continuously like pulling a wave around the planet.

SPEAKER_02 55:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

Yeah, it is my that but that is clever. Uh one of the things we should uh mention, uh I can't remember his name, is it Rip Thorne? I think his name or Kip Thorne is the uh was the guy who's the astrophysicist on this who advised No, no, he's not a character. It's the he he was he was one of he was like the principal advisor for this for the science, basically. I think he he he said he had preliminary when this was being written by uh Christopher Nolan and Jonathan Nolan. Jonathan Nolan, we never mentioned Jonathan Nolan, we should. Jonathan Nolan is Christopher's brother and writes most of the scripts for his films. Um yeah, he also did he did all the Batman films as well. Um so apparently I can't remember which way round it was. I think it was him. It was him who came up with the line of uh you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I can't remember whether it was which way round it was. One of the one of the one of Christopher or Johnson came up with it, and the other one didn't get it at first and was like, I don't I don't think that's very good. I think it was Jonathan maybe came up with it, and Christopher Logan was like, yeah, I don't really get that. But then boom. It is a grower, it lives in lives lives forever. Um but anyway, yeah, so he was he was uh consulting on that. But then yeah, so basically they those two those two had a preliminary meeting with him and they basically discussed their ideas and what they were going to put forward. And he kind of like as with most science fiction, and I think with a lot of Christopher Loganfields basically, to the points where it's still within the realms of actual science, he likes to get it right. Obviously, then once it goes past into science fiction, he can he can go.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

Exactly, exactly. So No, oh no, a lot longer than that Yeah. Oh, just just on the water planet Oh yeah, sorry, I thought you were talking about totality. Yes, oh no, yeah, yes, yes, yes show you the full three hours, aren't they?

SPEAKER_03 57:32

Um I've got Christ I know Christopherville come out, it's fifty-seven hours long because it's it's in real time. Uh um well, I think well they just have to they have to wait for the engines to try it, then they How much is it gonna cost us, Brand? A lot, a lot I think I think basically they yeah, they it yeah, ended up costing a couple of hours.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Yeah, a bit dagober esque. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 58:18

Dagaber-ish, Dagaberian, Dagaborian, I don't know. Um but I don't know. It's it's it's it's it's fine. I I didn't I didn't think they took liberties with the amount of time slippage or dilation. Um Yeah. Well he he said he said he had a long sleep, didn't he? But then he felt like he was he might be on his way, he might be like living like this forever, so it felt like he shouldn't waste his life sleeping. Which is interesting because I don't know what the I I guess I guess I I don't know what because you're in hibernation. I don't know it didn't whether he's suggesting that even in hibernation you age. I always make the assumption that your aging process slows significantly. Yes, maybe. Maybe. Um or whether it was just simple simply as like, well, I'm in space, at some point a gasket or a seal is gonna go somewhere and I'll blow up I'll blow up and I'll be asleep while I actually I think I'll take that. We said last week with about about 2001, the guy just slowly drifting off into space without any way of stopping himself. I mean that's that is just like panic stricken madness.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

Ignorance is bliss. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:56

Um, we've not spoken much about Mirth now. Uh and we feel like we should, because she is she is highly significant throughout the entire film. She is quite important. She plays and she plays many different roles, obviously, without her first initial um discovery of her bookcase being tampered with by poltergeist, uh, which her scientific father is very at all sympathetic to, is he? It's like I don't think your bookcase is trying to talk to you more. I mean, to to be fair, if my if my daughter's going to me saying that books have been throwing themselves off of the shelf, yeah. Of course they fucking have. Gump back. I've told you to side your room. Why have you not done it?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:42

The books keep track, it's almost on the floor.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:45

No, no, they don't. Why? Yeah, why are your toys why your toys broken? Oh, that sadly happened last night, actually. Um so just to just to let you all in on for those of you who listen who don't already know what a cracking guy Steph is. Steph Steph sent my daughter for a birthday a few weeks ago a very lovely Lego set, uh, which she built. Treehouse, uh Friends, a friend's treehouse set, um, which she built. Um, and she's had it beautifully displayed on the shelf above her bed for the last week or so. Uh and just as she was getting ready for bed last night, all of her was done. And uh shh. And so now she gets Yeah, it did, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now she gets to now she gets to build it again. Well you, it's you in the you in the black hole.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:45

There's a weird man in my bedroom pushing things off my shelf.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

I mean, that's a bit yeah. I mean I got it. I've I've been venturing a little bit away from Murph at the moment, but yeah, Steph's a nice guy, everybody. Um but anyway, he uh um murph does solve the thing of gravity uh because of something that gets transferred to a watch. Fuck off. I mean nah, I mean that's one of the that's one of the things where I'm like like he's he's in he's inside the black hole and inside that that structure. I think that thing it I've heard it referred to as a tetaract type thing. And it's like, oh could I could I set the second hand on the watch to be Morse and use the I mean how much fuck honestly the amount of data you would have to send, like you'd you'd just sit watching the second hand on that watch for about a hundred days straight and hope you didn't hope you didn't miss anything. It's just like right, you've taken a step too far here. I was like I was I was like looking round looking around the bedroom thinking there must be something digital in this room. Something that he could send it to. Like Yeah, like okay, alright, okay. I don't want you uh I don't want you uh you suffering too badly from hay fever. Um but anyway, let's however she gets the data, she gets the data, she has a Eureka moment, she's she chucks all her papers up in the air because it's tradition apparently, and she gets all she gets all excited and gives the doctor a kiss. Uh the doctor's I've I've got to say the doctor who his name is I can't remember his name uh played by he's in uh he's in the Brady not the Brady Bunch, uh that 70s show. Yes. Um he is I can't remember his Jeff Hefner. Is that him? No, no, that's not him. That's a different guy entirely.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:16

No, what the fuck? Oh, Topher Grace. That's his name.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:24

Yeah. Uh but yeah, he's um he's got he's a he's a he's a great character in this because he's very sort of that like he's just a sensible guy, right? He's just trying just you can tell he's just trying to do the right thing. You know, you can you can tell like you can tell, and not not judging, you can tell like he's trying to get in her pants. He's in love. Yeah, I mean that's a that's a much nicer way of putting it. He's in love with her, like because he's a nice he's not trying to get in her pants, he's actually in love with her because he's a nice guy. And he's just he's just doing that classic nice guy thing of like whatever you need me to do, I'll do it. Like, of course I'll like of course he's a doctor and he's gonna do the doctor thing by going and helping some people who may be sick, yes, but he's got extra motivation.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:13

Exactly. Yeah, it's which is a bit out of character. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:32

Like, if I was if I was um whatever is I can't remember his name. Uh I know he's Case Casey Affleck. But uh Tom, Tom, Tom. Yeah, if if I was Tom, I'd have called his bluff. Come on, mate. I like I like like you're a you're a fucking doctor who's been living underground for ten years. I'm a farmer. What you fucking got? Yeah, I I think I I think I might be a little bit uh tougher than you. Yeah, I might be slightly more battle harden than you. And also, I've got on my side that you're a nice guy, and I'm a miserable prick. So come at me, come at me, bruh. Yeah. He's also basically and he's already punched someone, he's also denied uh it's him who punched, wouldn't it? Yeah, he punched him in the house. Uh because he was saying he needed to get his kids out of there. He's like, yeah, we're not leaving. Not fucking leaving. He's not a well person thinking. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. He's just attached to his life, isn't he? He wants his life. It's like you see it right from the start, don't we? Where he's like, Oh, they they tell me you're gonna be a farmer. And like and he's like, Oh, I think that's great. Like, Daddy, you hate farming.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

And Tom's like, Well, I love what you do, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

So I mean, yeah, I mean he's literally like you if you want to earn a living, become a farmer. Yeah, yeah, or doctor. Yeah, yeah. I still feel like there's probably other jobs as well. I mean, they've got running water, they've got like Yeah. Uh they've got someone they need a they need a groundskeeper at the baseball field. Um yeah, grunt's made his lawn, isn't he?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

So I don't know. I don't know. Is it is their AI though? I mean like what do we think about the software within the droids? They learn, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:02

They learn. They're self they're sent, I think they're sentient, they're self-aware. I think uh the who's it is it TARS? Is it whichever one we decide it was, TARS or case, independently takes the decision to turn the autopilot off because he doesn't trust man.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:21

I think there's it's not threatening AI.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:27

If it is AI, it's not threatening AI, and it's actually it's it's closed contained and it's doing it's doing exactly what it should be doing, which is looking after the humans. Apart from Dr. Mann.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:41

It's protecting the good humans from the bad humans. Exactly. Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

Well, he can condemn him to death. He could have chosen not to do it. If he'd have taken the the sound advice and stopped, he'd have been alright. Still I mean it's interpretation, isn't it? You're protecting one group of humans, but he's not but again, he's not killed him. All he's done is he's stopped him from being able to do the But he's he's not.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:35

I disagree with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:37

I don't think he has. All he's done he's flown it. He could fly that all day long without it harming him. He's chosen to fly it into another object and tried to park it without being able to do it. That's it. And also by doing it, he's protected the other group of humans.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:06

Maybe you can't do it remotely.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:11

I am, I like I I really love the characters of Tarzan Case. I love 'em.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:21

Actually, in fairness, I've seen it like yeah. I dunno.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

I I I like them, I like them, I would stick up with them all day long. I think they're great. I'd I'd I'd rather have them around than the humans, to be fair. No, no, no. It's um I don't know, it's good. Right. Anyway, you got any you got any main major things you want to discuss before we finish?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Oh, I forgot to come back to the video messages.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:10

Oh wow. Well, it's the fact as well that he that they the way they play it with the fact that um because Dr. Brand Senior mentions it to Murph, doesn't like Murph's never sent one. Murph's never from the age that he's left her to the basically the age we meet her as a grown-up, she's never sent like Dr. Brand Sr. sends these messages all the time to his daughter and to the team. Murph has never sent one until one day. And but but he only gets it after she does it. She that's it, she does it on the day that she turns the same age as he was when he's left, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

And she breaks down and she breaks down and she's like she's trying she's being angry at him, but then in but still there's that yearning yeah, it's like I really do with you coming back right now Lost another lost a kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:31

Lost yeah, lost a kid, had another kid. Yeah. I thought we fucking hell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:43

Can you imagine that literally like you're like right, uh right, granddad's gone. Probably not that's probably less of a surprise. I um but then like yeah, be like, yeah, yeah, become a granddad. Oh and I'm a granddad again. Oh, oh, and look, and also as well, like seeing Tom who's like it's part of me would be like, are you taking any joy in your life, Tom?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:12

What what do you do? What are you doing with your spare time? Oh, it's just yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:39

Right, uh it got kind of from a cynical human point of view, it does create, and because we're conditioned to from films like of this nature, it does create that instant thing of like he's seen this, and now we're gonna see him not tell anyone about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:05

It's not accidental.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:08

Nothing ever is. No, no. Yeah, so I think it's uh no, I th I yeah, I agree with you. I I like that bit, and I like I do like the I like the as you say, the methodology of video messages because as well, it w what what he does do is it we get a bit earlier in the film where they're still on this side of Garganton. And uh think there's there's we see Dr. Brand Junior Amelia sit there watching a video message from her father that's kind of a bit sort of uh lecture, not lecturing, but uh imparting knowledge and sharing advice and fatherly whatever else. And she's we see it there, she's kind of like just this doting daughter who just thinks her father can do absolutely nothing wrong. And it just it plays into that narrative of like if she'd have had a bit more critical thinking towards her dad, like she probably has to other things in her professional life, they may not be where they are. Yeah, maybe, but well, maybe she would well, because she wouldn't have had the data. But this is the thing, this is the interesting thing about the whole thing. If we try if we could bring it back all in and try it all together, right? Right. He lied to get them to go on the mission. Like this is where the morality of it, right? The moral justice, and is it right, is it wrong? He lied to get them to go on the missions. Knowing that, or thinking at least, that by doing so he was condemning everyone on earth to death, but the embryos would go, they'd find a safe planet, and they could start a colony of people there. But by going, what they've actually done is gone into Gargantuan, gone out the other side, found whatever they're doing on that side, gone back into Gargantuan by being on the mission has allowed them to get the data that they can then send back to MERF, who can then from her analogue timepiece, apparently apparently define enough data to solve the longest equation in human history. But again, so does do two wrongs make a right? Or or does an accidental right forgive a wrong? If he hadn't have lied, they wouldn't have been on the mission and they wouldn't have been able to do it. So no one that the thing, if he hadn't lied, no one would have won. Because they wouldn't have taken the embryos, so neither play. I know it's not his fault, it's not his fault specifically, but without his lie without his lie, there's no plan or plan A or plan B. Without that lie. But because of but because of his li because of his lie, accidentally accidentally both plans work.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

I'd say Do not go quite into that dark night or whatever it is. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Yes. It's good, it's good, it's fine, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:48

Uh quick mention where we go, hands, hands on fine form, as ever. Zimmer. Yeah, it's not it's not a robot, not another robot we didn't miss.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:59

No, hand zimmer. Where do you think he got his inspiration for that? I wonder.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:09

Are you are you not picking up on my do you not do you not know? I mean it's 2001, isn't it? Well then, say it. You've got the got put the hit the nail on the head. You've got something so subtle. Subtle seal gets us nowhere, Stefan. I think it's more than a nod, yes. It's it's the it's the initial um I think it's the opening scene where they're basically in the house and it pans out out of the window over to over the fields, and you just get that long, that long. That is like that. I mean it's literally lifted out of 2001. And I'm not having a go at hands ever, by the way. It's it's beautifully done. Uh, but he's as he's exactly it did. Oh, some of the the the the the bit of score that's playing over, you know, when obviously Dr. Mann's fucked it up and take he's so he's crashed, he's taken nearly half the half the shit with him, and the lead issue like they're looking at it like in thinking, how on earth do we get out of this? And then Coop goes, I can do this. I've got this, but that that music that organ music that's playing over the top of that is oh, it's brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:58

Yep. Maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:10

And also that it sounds a lot like two thousand and one music. Sounds like a score from two thousand and one. I think that's probably another yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:20

Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

Also, like the the whole the whole environment of this, like we I I'm particularly like not Star Wars so much, but unless it's sort of Imperial stuff, but like you grow up watching Star Trek and like you know, space is a nice place to be. You know, this like there's no bells and whistles on any of it. Like every like as you said earlier, like they've just even down to like the hibernation pod things, they're shit. They're weird, like they're they look like being on your spaceship, they look like they've got like these tiled floors and like these tiled bath things that they sink into. It's like I mean that that must weigh a lot. Seems unnecessary. But they also but every every scene they're in, they look they don't look comfortable. And again, it's they look like they're sort of on this on a on a serious sort of expedition where it's a little it's never quite warm enough. They look like they're always a little bit uncomfortable, a little bit cold, no one's you know, no one's done their hair, like they're yeah. I just like the cle clever use of hot like hot drinks. I think they'll just just the subtle use of hot drinks and stuff, it just it's always steam coming off, your brain instantly thinks everything else must be cold. I can see a lot of steam, everything else must be cold.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:19

Yeah. Never mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:40

Hands, hands in our well done. Brilliant scene setting, brilliant scene setting, and the use of no noise at all or sound at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:55

As there is normally in lots of Nolan stuff, yes. I mean, like the this is the thing, right? I guess I don't know. Uh so you think look think about like again Doctor Man's Planet. I think the most majority of that was filmed in a long location in Iceland. That could have very easily been done on the stage somewhere. And then just and then just CDI'd the wider shot. No, don't get me wrong. There is because of the fact that this is obviously there's just in case anyone's wondering and has not been to Iceland, uh, there are no floating rocks in Iceland, like the in the middle in in in in the uh upper atmosphere. Uh that obviously is some an element of CGI, but but it's it's actual ground they're working on.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:47

Um well it could oh of course it does.

unknown 1:24:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:00

Yeah. Quite.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:05

Yeah. And they're like that bit where just the little bits where they both, you know, then they're using the like jet the elbow jet things, which I quite I quite like. Nice touch. But like they jump, they jump down. Now obviously they've probably had a rig and string and wires and stuff above them, but they're not jumping from one big green box onto a smaller green box, they're actually jumping down a slope. And it makes it it does, it just it does. It does it it's stuff like that that even when it's done really well on CGI, you can the brain can still tell, and it just takes you out of the moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:40

Whereas the realness of it, you just it's not a it's not a factor, you just carry on. It's quite slow down, turbo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:08

I suppose you've got a I guess given the benefit of the doubt on that, you've got your suit and you probably it's probably a bit of kit that you need to take off to charge, like you would do with headphones or any other device. Well, I guess they're probably designing it, they didn't think they didn't think, you know what? Uh you might be on this mission with someone you don't particularly trust who may at some point try to murder you at strand you. Uh so maybe we should just yeah.

unknown 1:26:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:44

Yeah. Anywho. Yeah.

unknown 1:26:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:50

I don't know. We'll see. Anyway, anything else on your agenda that you'd like to discuss before we get off and let you go on your wonderful adventure across to those there, United States.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:20

I've always found it on you, you vehicle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

But this is the thing, uh but the initial that and without going fiercely down this rabbit hole that we've already been down, it comes back. It's the two things, and it's like the the the coordinates is one thing. With coordinates is what? Like eight digits, whatever it might be. I can't remember what it is. Um whereas the amount of data coming out of a black hole, to be to be programmed into a second hand of a watch, analog watch, that's something slightly different. And to be able to do it by basically playing a banjo going bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. Oh I found out an interesting thing the other day. You know that do you know that a full hard drive is lighter than a uh new hard drive?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:45

I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:46

Come on, you're asking questions now. But basically, it's because of ones and zeros. Because when it's when it's first first built, when it's not when it's nothing, it's empty, it's all zeros. And ones are lighter. It's it's like you no one no one domestically will have scales uh uh that can measure it. But if you've got if you've got scales that are uh sensitive enough, you could measure that. Anyway, I took that one from another podcast. The rest is science if anyone's worried, or wondering even. Don't worry, don't worry about it. Certainly don't worry. If anyone's wondering, uh it's that. So yeah, to that one there. Anyway, that seems like a nice jumping off point. Anyway, Interstellar, Interstellar. Yeah, we haven't said which do you like it?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:37

Oh that's that's just not in a nutshell, right? All right, all right, all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:15

I'll be honest with McGonnay in this. When this film was announced, or when it came out, and I knew it was McConaughey, I thought it was an odd choice. But I think he's brilliant in this. I think he's um outstanding. Um and it also comes across as a very nice guy in real life. Um, it comes across as a top guy. So yeah, uh, just a few numbers though, 8.7 out of 10. Very respectable, brilliant. I think he's actually in the top 100 on IMDb. Um, I can't remember of all films. I think it might be racked in the top 100. Yes. Good as in good, yeah, but like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:01

Good, not great. Uh um you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:12

I I struggle to rank them all together because I kind of I have I basically I put the I put like the Batman films need to go in their own separate little thing, and then everything else, and then everything else can be go to, and then like Oppenheimer, Dunkirk, they can go together. Uh and then basically I put this yeah, I put this, I put this in the section with tenant inception. If I'm if I'm ranking it against Tenet Inception, uh say the prestige, maybe, although prestige is what it is. Um could be something else. Um basically they're all so good. I rank them on their own, and they're all amazing. Uh no, I would start I would say I'd put this ahead of tenant marginally like like like a photo finish behind Inception.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:22

Prestige is different.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:22

This is the thing, prestige is such because of because of the time at which it was made and the budgets and the the the different sort of you know the prestige. I think I think the prestige is a little bit more I mean they've all got an element of fantasy, but prestige is a lot more fantasy. The idea that like making making a carbon copy of a human being at the end you then knock off uh every night. Uh not spoilers, by the way. Um but yeah, it's it's it's not um I think yeah, prestige is I mean, all as we've spoken about previously, all science fiction wanders quite significantly into fantasy.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:05

I think I think prestige is one of those examples where it's well and truly fantasy. Why it's a bit steampunky. It's not really, but yeah. Sounds good. Sounds good, sounds like it fits. Plays.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:33

Yeah, so uh maybe. I don't know. We'll see. But either way, uh and it and it did very well, you'd be unsurprised to hear this did very well at the box office as well. 2014, so it was the time when no Netflix, no Chrome, no Disney Plus.$165 million budget,$775 million worldwide. And I would imagine, certainly looking at my own shelf, a significant number of DVDs, Blu-rays, and 4K discs are sold. I would if I I need to keep an eye out because I'm sure at some point it must show in cinema somewhere near me every year, and I want to see it in the cinema because I feel like it's this is like this is cinematic. Yeah. So I'll keep an eye out. Keep an eye out for your local listings. Absolutely. Right. Anyway, Stefan, uh, we haven't discussed what we're gonna do next time, but we are gonna be having at least a couple of weeks off because you're not gonna be here. Oh, actually, actually, I know what we're gonna do next time. We're gonna be talking about the Mandalorian and Grogu, aren't we? Well, one of us will be. Yeah, one of us certainly will be. Um I will see it. I mean you're travelling halfway around the world to see it. The least I can do is go to the end of my road.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:07

It feels it feels like I I should be able to make that effort. Well, we can't because we're gonna turkey.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:24

Authogem. Yeah, we got we could we could do that, we could do that. I'm not saying I'm not taking all my care. Oh, we'll see. Um anyway, anyway. Uh Stefan, have the most fantastic time on your trip.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:44

And I hope you uh your good your good lady your good woman is not brought to t tears by your Star Wars chat Harry Plopper Yes Oh Just just need to remind remind yourself every day I've already got a lightsaber, I've already got a lightsaber, I don't need another one.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:29

Yeah. You said last time I w I I I don't want to drag this out any further, but you said last time they're not as good as the one you've got, right?

unknown 1:36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:38

They're they're they're I'm I imagine like everything at the theme park, they are op they are you're not getting a value for money, right? Other than the rides.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:48

They're other than the rides, because you can't get them anywhere else, but take it when I'm uh walking through the local park at night. Yeah. Oh, lovely stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:37

Lovely. Well, on that promised I will hold you to. Have a lovely time. Thank you everyone for listening. I will speak to you in a few weeks' time.